(Tape 1 – see below, following texts)

Observation is the actual determinant of whether or not something is actually happening, not just that it’s worthwhile that it happens.  Everything has a set of events that lead up to something.  Those events have an origin point and that origin point is based upon things happening that are observable.  This is where the sort of relativity side comes into it because ultimately everybody is observing something from one perspective which is which is their own but it doesn’t matter whether that’s a human or an amoebatode (sic) – ie a simple organism, a worm, one of the simplest organisms that that would appear to have the appearance of free will so it can make its own choices based on its environment.  I think people do have a problem in understanding that because something isn’t being observed it’s not actually happening. That depends because, what is their qualification of observation?  It may not be observed by them but you’ve got literally trillions upon trillions upon trillions of organisms that exist in the world so the chances are that things that don’t think are being observed by something.  We might not be able to see it being observed by something.  I can’t see the bacteria on the table but if I got a microscope and looked closely enough, I would nonetheless find it.  If that bacterium is alive then that bacterium would be making observations that I can’t see.

This comes back to consciousness. Consciousness is the way in which the universe becomes observed and it’s only biological organisms which have consciousness that we’re currently aware of.

You can have a something – a photon, say – so when you observe it you measure it.  You want to see what form it’s in depending on; whether you’re measuring it as a wave or as a particle, it will collapse into that form.

We’ve also got other things around us making observations all the time as well and taking measurements and those things around us will also have an impact so this is why for example there are things happening on the other side of the world that are still happening even though we here are not observing them – but other people are, or other things or other organisms.

I’m not sure it really affects people’s belief system because most people are oblivious to it.  It may be influencing you in a way that you don’t know. People’s belief systems are unique.  Everybody – despite what people want to think and believe – there is only one belief system and that is the belief system that the person themselves have. There may be aspects of it that are similar to other people but ultimately their belief system is going to be entirely shaped by their experience and observations.

(Tape 2)

An issue with coronavirus and flu is that if somebody gets the two viruses in the body at the same time, there’s a possibility that genes from one may swap with genes from the other. It could mean that one virus picks up the traits of the other.  You’d end up with an organism that’s got components of other things. But if you look at our DNA, we’ve got lots of bits of DNA from bacteria and viruses that seemingly do nothing – they’re just what is called waste DNA.  People don’t really know whether they’re waste DNA of course. We just don’t know what the purpose is at the moment.  There is a current school of thought that consciousness may in fact run through all matter that’s in the universe. For some reason it only seems to coalesce and become autonomous in biological organisms.  There’s the possibility of other universes that have different roles do you mean properties…

Interviewer:  if we are created out of the stardust why should it be assumed only for instance that something like anger is typified and only the prerogative of sentient creatures. A volcano could be described as angry at least in sort of mythological sense. if we are comprised of the same matter as everything else in the universe why would anger be only a facet of consciousness.

That’s a good question.  We’re the same as everything else but we’ve got this that’s different for everything else and the same material; what is it that’s made it?  That would be that’s the question that really needs answering: what makes biological organisms different from inanimate objects?

(Tape 3)

A tumour is a mass of cells, so does it have its own form of consciousness?  It’s interesting and something to look into. We lose parts of our body all the time and yet our awareness, our consciousness, doesn’t appear to diminish. You can have your arm chopped off and your conscious awareness doesn’t diminish by one arm’s length or by two arms lengths or by two arms and two leg lengths…..So if it was pervasive in every cell why is it that you don’t notice for example that that you’re shedding skin cells all the time?

Interviewer: Is that something to do with what you might call the hologram effect or the ‘Brighton Rock effect’.  You take any bit of Brighton Rock and all the little constituent parts of it are equivalent to the rest of it?

Possibly.  If you take somebody that’s alive and somebody that’s dead, there’s definitely a difference between those two states.  We’re not just talking about the pumping of blood around the body because we can artificially induce that.  If somebody has a heart attack you can replace a heart with an artificial heart; you can replace lungs with a lung machine so in essence we can keep somebody technically, biologically, nutrient for quite a while yet they would still not necessarily be what we would consider them to be alive.  I think it’s probably part and parcel of what is the universe. There are certain rules that apply to the universe that we inhabit and those rules are why the universe is the way it is. Science is the method by which we try and understand what those rules are and how they’re applied.

(Tape 4)

Ensuring that there’s homogeneity amongst beliefs within groups (of society) helps create a more cohesive society. In biblical times the religious stories would have been potentially a very good way of creating tribes.  Back then, humans used to gravitate towards: tribes.   We still do it. People think in terms of their household – that’s a tribe to them.  Their friends are another tribe, the community that they live in is another tribe, then you move above that, the county then the country and so on.   You’ve got all these different levels of tribalism that start from the self and work all the way out and from that you get culture and society.  It’s just a new evolutionary process taking place.  People back then would have seen it particularly amongst uneducated folk – which would have been a majority back then.  Those who had educated themselves would be seen to have far more knowledge than those around them.  In those days they could have been revered.  Now science and education impinge on core beliefs. The more you understand about magic the more you realize that it is just the way you present something to someone.  A card trick is a card trick but once you know how the card checks down it doesn’t seem magical anymore.  Showing a TV to somebody back in those times and they probably would think you’re a god!  That’s the reality.

You only need a few people to have essentially self-taught themselves some of the theories that we’ve understood today to be able to use that (knowledge) to manipulate the people around them. Humans have a huge propensity to manipulate the people around them both consciously and subconsciously. The more the more people understand, the more educated they are, the more it affects their belief system.  This is where this is where you get conflict, particularly internal conflict.  If somebody has grown up believing in particularly a lot of the religion that portrays things as miracles – we now know there is a technological basis for them for them to occur i.e we now know that they probably weren’t ‘miracles’ – there’s that conflict. You’ve got the conflict of the person that wants to believe in the miracles against the education they’ve received that’s telling them internally there’s another explanation.  What they’ve then got to decide is which of those explanations do they integrate into their belief system – the system that they were brought up and taught for example through generations of hand-to-mouth knowledge or the education that’s told them that actually there’s a completely rational explanation for all of that.